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SeekerOfTruth
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Marriage

Diamonds sharpen steel. I can be either.

I'm seriously asking others views, and hoping I can find something to learn.

 Hopefully this stays peaceful. 

Most everyone here is more enlightened than the populous at large, or at least open minded in some areas.

State recognition of marriage is rather new.

With that said: From a non-religious stand point first.

Why is there a desire for the of legaliztion of polygyny? Polygyny is naturally lawfull. Statutes don't make anything lawful or unlawfull. It is what it is. 

Polygyny is simply against statute; statute is a man made rule based upon the whims of those at the time.

 Law is immuteable and unchangeable. 

Why, if a man is self-determining, does he need recognition to Bless his decision, when the benefits of such recognition comes with a high price tag? The same benefits can be acheived through life insurance, wills, deeds, individual contracts etc.

Religous stand point:

A man is to be the leader of his home. As the scriptures say, "As the savior is to the church so is a man to his wife." A man is to place none before God. Yet, when a man goes to ask permission or seek recognition from the state-(statute writer) is he not placing another before God?

A ketubah was a contract between two people, often overseen by the parents of those involved. Abraham sent  Eliezer to find a wife for Issac and Rebekah, was brought to him as wife. 

 

Pluto8
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Superb topic

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I'm not legally married to my first mate for exactly the reasons you mention, We do not need or want validation from an evil government of ignorant, Yahweh hating bipeds. Matter of fact the INSTITUTION (think on the ramifications of that word) of marriage today is a potentially horrific trap for a man, which is why you see the steadily growing movement called MGTOW. Many valid reasons for the thinking man to be extremely cautious when selecting a mate. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread...

Psalm 144:1  Blessed be Yahweh my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight

SeekerOfTruth
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I agree

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Which is one of the reasons I was asking.

I can understand those who are still in the matrix seeking recognition from those in power, however I do feel modern "legal" marriage is a derivative of jus primae noctis. Such can be proven if ones eyes are open, for it becomes a mulit-party contract with the issuing party of the licesnse; meaning the one who gives the recognition becomes the arbiter of all disputes, and both the other parties must submit to those decisions or suffer, in some cases, dire consequences.

It seems most who have gotten far enough to know polygamy is valid and whole would realize the contradiction of asking permission for aproval of a marriage, which is always unique to the parties involved, and by seeking such recognition; making it a multi-party union, i.e. A union between the man, his woman and everyone else who is a party to the recognizing authority; they make it a 'cookie cutter' marriage. One size fits all.

Although another topic: I agree men need to be cautious, I studied the MGTOW movement for quite some time, although their greviances are valid, I disgree they are 'going their own way.' They are being led (Something smells vile on one who has the greatest following.) contrary to their very nature. Their cognitive dissonance is almost palpable.

The simpler the better.

Pluto8
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The value

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Of MGTOW  (IMO) is the detailed analysis they make of the modern relationship situation between men and women. It's a very real nightmare out there for a man, today and your comments about the state becoming arbiter were spot on. The state has become heavily weighted against men and that arbiter is now a feminist tyrant, destroying men's lives over what is often the whim or anger of a female.( Even driving them to suicide, like one man I knew) There are still a few unicorn girls out there who wouldn't destroy a man that way, but they are needles in a BIG haystack and strong discernment is required. MGTOW is a reaction to the demonic and communist plan called feminism and yes it is playing out the way Satan wanted, but individual MGTOW men are simply playing self defense, even if they really wanted a family and children. I would LOVE to find more unicorns and have children, but defense of myself and my lady come first

Psalm 144:1  Blessed be Yahweh my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight

SeekerOfTruth
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To iterate

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I  know many here understand these issues. However I don't understand the populous at large, who are aware of polygamy's validity, wanting it statute approved.

As for those gtow; although still a scary concept; they would be better served writing individual contracts. Now that would be GTOW. Although, since a man has no agency in courts he could still have some issues.

Prenuptial agreements used to be upheld, but with states being in authority over state sanctioned marriage many have declared them invalid.

The biggest detriment to marriage, and the greatest asset of social engineers at large has been choice. Marriage will not exist as it should be until choice is removed.

Ec 7:28

The simpler the better.

cnystrom
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Marriage Licenses

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Most polygamists do not care about marriage licenses. They just want polygamy (cohabitation) de-criminalized so that they do not get the children taken away.

SeekerOfTruth
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Legislative Legality

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of poly won't make a whits difference on whether they are taken. It is good to hope, but I feel there is too much intolerance for it.

What matters is if one is a visible community. I doubt it will ever be made legislatively legal for the very reason legislation was passed against it.

Even before it was legislated against the LDS was still persecuted. As were the poly freindly tribes of Native Americans.

The simpler the better.