where did monogamy come from?

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charlesh
where did monogamy come from?

There is no christian foundation in the New Testament against plural marriage.

Polygamy existed in the Christian world. It is documented that monogamy was adopted by leaders of the church in Roman times. Monogamy was a Roman practice and it was adopted by Christian leaders of the time in order to RECRUIT new followers from the Roman faith to Christianity. In effect, it was a compromise made to entice Romans to join Christian faith and it was made with no religious foundation what so ever!

Marketing caused the adoption of Monogamy in the Christian faith, not God.

Rob-Slater (not verified)
Incorrect. The first human

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Incorrect.
The first human marriage was between adam, and eve.
Adam had but one wife.

spud2290
Wow good reason to join

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So you joined the site just to give this guy a hard time about what he believes. First of all whether or not the story of Adam and Eve is to be taken literally is an open debate. I know I know you may be a protestant and or a Mormon who subscribes to a literal interpretation but one is not required. The early church did not require it as is evidenced by the writings of Augustine. Either way even if Adam was a real man, just because the bible says he married Eve doesn't mean what you want it to. It could simply mean that Adam married all the women who were available, in this case one named Eve. Saying Adam had but one wife is also problematic because the bible says Adam lived for centuries yet doesn't record that much about his life. How do you know Adam only ever married one wife? This posters point is still valid. Polygamy was an accepted practice throughout the world and in many religions with the exception of Roman and Greek worlds. Romans however allowed for concubines, they just didn't give them the same legal protections as a wife. Old Testament Hebrews however did give concubines the same protections as wives because they allowed for a man to have more that one wife. The end of polygamy came with the infusion of Roman law with the Christian Church. Like Martin Luther said I can not deny someone polygamy because I can find no prohibition against it in the bible.

SiteMod
Rome Dogs

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And let us not forget that Rome was founded on Dogs, or wolfs if you must. Only one makes it, only the alpha mates. Roman-antics.

fethel
Bottom line is that monogamy

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Bottom line is that monogamy was forced on the people because the governments wanted control over the people and didn't want to have to deal with the upset sister wives due to the complications of splitting of property, taxes and other misc. issues.
Monogamy is just another form of control of the people that aren't rich or corrupt because polygamy is just fine for the multi-billion dollar porn business and those with deep wallets but not those that care to live in love, peace and quietly.

I would also like to note that I do NOT believe that forced marriage is appropriate and neither is under age marriage.

Bottom line is that the stinking governments of the past and present need to mind their own business, tend to what is given to them by the people and stay OUT of our homes, lives and thoughts.

Jhanay (not verified)
Adam & Eve

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Incorrect Rob-Slater,

Actually, Lilith was the 1st wife of Adam and Eve was the 3rds. The 2nd didn't have a name because she was created in front of Adam and he was repulsed by seeing her created. Technically, Eve is a title meaning the wives of Adam.

Not all that wander are lost.

TruthBearer
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Incorrect.

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If you've read all the sources of biblical texts, Adam had multiple wives. one of which was Lilith, she laid with Satan and bore Cain, she is known as the whore of babylon, Isis, Ishtar, kali, Krishnah, the devouerer of children, mother of monsters. She literally slept with Satan and Cain and had a whole bunch of monsters. Look it up.

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GroverP
Can you share

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references on this subject and where one goes to "look it up"?  Thanks in advance 

Imlooking41more
Teaching that polygyny is sinful, is heresy!

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I can appreciate the curiosity that motivated the question; where did monogamy come from, but is their a more productive question? As a person seeking a second wife, I do not like it when Christian's attack polygyny, saying it is sin, big surprise there right? I think if we can prove that the Romans started monogamy to control people, we will feel more justified ourselves, but will our culture care? The people that oppose the poly crowd are the religious people, and what better way to prove the religious people wrong than to use the standard they claim as their own. Personally, I also claim the Bible as my standard, unfortunately I fall short. Polygyny can be defended by the Bible in a multitude of ways, especially using the very verses they use against polygyny, but let me give you one of my favorites. 

Mainstream Christian denominations call polygamy sin, more specifically adultery. Well lets see if God agrees. God said in the Law of Moses, that a bastard was not to be allowed into the congregation of Israel until the 14th generation. That means that if I was a bastard Israelite, none of my children could be allowed into the congregation of Israel. In fact my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandchildren would be my first offspring to be allowed back into the congregation of Israel. My first eligible offspring would not be born for 300+ years after my birth. That sure sounds to me like God hates adultery!

Well then did God think polygyny was adultery? If He did, the prophet Samuel and King Solomon would have been first generation bastards, and we probably would have never heard of them. However, the Bible is clear, that not only were these men allowed to live among the congregation of Israel, but God Himself chose both of these men to lead the nation of Israel for forty years each! Furthermore, the Tabernacle and the Temple were the last two places where a non pure Jew or an illegitimate child were supposed to ever be found. But did you know that Samuel served in the Tabernacle? Did you know that Solomon built the Temple? Did you know that both of these men wrote part of the Bible?

God's actions with these two men make it crystal clear that God did not see polygyny as adultery or sin. This case is closed, it is a slam dunk! God did not view polygyny as adultery, and if its not adultery it must not be sin. If you examine how God dealt with polygyny, then it becomes clear that teaching that polygyny is sinful is pure heresy! 

Do I think monogamy is sin, no. In fact the more people that live that way the better chance I have in finding a second wife. Thank God for monogamy!

I'm married to "Imthefirst1."

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Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

perez
''Mainstream Christian denominations call polygamy sin''

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They do so in error and need only look at Matthew 22:23-33 where the newly converted Sadducees confronted Jesus over the matter of Mosaic  Levirate marriage*.  Under this law a man would  marry the widow of his brother if she was childless in her  marriage.  If a man had several brothers who died in combat or through some other circumstance it meant he could have multiple wives including his own.  Jesus had every opportunity to end this Mosaic practice but did not do so! 

 

Thus, under Messianic law, Levirate marriage remains valid.

Also bear in mind that Sarah was upheld as the ideal wife in the New Testament as shown in Peter's epistles. Christian sisters are told "You are now Sarah's daughter" if you follow her example. She who selected mistresses and concubines for her husband - this means TRUE  Christian women are to do the same things she did.

 

Therefore, contary to pseudo Christian teaching, polygyny is perfectly valid today and forever.

 

 

 

 

*Levirate marriage is mandated under Deut 25:5,6

CuriousKat
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Hmmmmm.. . .

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You know one of the main problems.I have with poly people and groups is they feel need to.justify a what they are doing. Why justifie why not just live and be happy with your choice why the need.to.prove to.others it is right and so and so.forth?

Imlooking41more
Good Question

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Why I feel the need to defend my actions: Three reasons, maybe more later.

First, I defend polygamy in hopes to influence more people to believe that this practice should not be illegal. Most American's realize that the Supreme Court always finds away to give the people, a very specific group of people, what they want.

Second, I defend polygamy because the religious crowd preaches that it is a wicked sin. I hope to leave this crowd the way they should be in regards to polygamy, speechless.

Third, I defend polygamy because I like to. I like to be right, especially because it doesn't seem to happen enough. You see, 99 and 44/100ths% just isn't enough, lol.

CuriousKat, one of the things I like about you, is that you challenge people to think. We should be able to tell people why we do/say things, even if we don't choose to tell them. However, if you adopted the same advice you gave me here, I doubt you would have ever posted your last comment. I voiced my opinion and then you voiced yours. Isn't that one of the things that keeps this site going? Anyway, I hope you continue to keep me on my toes, truly you have already been a help to me, and for that I am very thankful.

 

 

I'm married to "Imthefirst1."

Click on my user name for more information about us.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

noblequest
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Human nature I would think...

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Kat,

I would think that it was just human nature to try to justify your choices when so many people seem to think they are bad choices but you know that they are nuts. Me I tend to just ignore them, tell them to go hang or potentially head butt them in the bridge of the nose. But then I am the cuddly type. Most people I suspect do not wish to receive the derision of their peers so they try to find a way to show them 'hey, I am not so weird and here is my proof'.

 Imlooking41more,

I am not even a Christian and I say Preach it brother! heh... well kinda. I just like to have as much ammo in my quiver to mix metaphors a bit, so as to be ready for any argument and I like that one. Always fun to beat someone in a game using their own ball. Hey look at me, not just two metaphors but one a sports one and I think it even made sense.

Morality is your agreement with yourself to abide by your own rules - RAH

Imlooking41more
Thanks

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Noblequest you are kind and funny too.

I love the metaphors too, but I not to good at them. I'm better at using movie lines at just the right time.

I'm married to "Imthefirst1."

Click on my user name for more information about us.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

CuriousKat
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Tis true

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Very fair point looking41more lol and I too my hat to you sir lol

Imlooking41more
My opinion is confirmed

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CuriousKat, you are a classy woman and I look forward to your comments in the future!

 

I'm married to "Imthefirst1."

Click on my user name for more information about us.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

ryenwine
Re Monogamy

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Monogamy-only was an important boundary marker for the Christian world. A paper was written on this a while back, insofar as it relates to English history:

http://www.4thefamily.us/node/433

The mainstream Christian world has always wanted to be separate and distinct from everybody else. So it needs "boundary markers" ie aspects of its culture which separate it off from the rest. Polytheism survived an astonishingly long time amongst the Slavs, even longer in the Baltic lands. And there were the Jews, of course, the Islamic world, and now, secularism.

There are other boundary markers. In Medieval Spain, it was compulsory by law to have a ham hanging in the house, and to eat pig meat. And they checked! . http://www.amazon.com/Drizzle-Honey-Recipes-Spains-Secret/dp/0312198604

An Englishman named Marmaduke Pickthall translated the Koran into English awhile back. In his intro to one of the Suras (or chapters) he points out that Christianity's insistance on monogamy was a consequence of its asceticism. To unite with a woman at all, was regrettable (so it was thought), Nonetheless, a man is permitted to marry, in order that he may reproduce. But to have two or three wives is out of the question. 

Pluto8
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Actually

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Catholicism (which is far from true Christianity) enforced monogamy.. this because the "universal" church was started, not by Peter the disciple, but by Simon the Sorcerer from the book of Acts.. a follower of the Babylonian Mystery Religion, which enforced monogamy but allowed homosexuality as well as ritual whoredom

http://www.reformation.org/simon-peter-simon-magus.html

The Vikings practiced polygyny until the Norse king converted to Catholicism. My ancestors had to leave their Nordic lands, partially over this issue

"Be ye faithful unto death and I will give you a crown of life"

Pluto8
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wrongo!

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Paul didna say what you tink he said. Best leave scripture to true men of Yahweh...

http://www.truthbearer.org/truth-tracts/truth-and-paradox/9/

"Be ye faithful unto death and I will give you a crown of life"

Rock
scripture

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one man's interpretation of scripture is another mans argument.
round and round for thousands of years....lol.

Pluto8
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Attempting civility...

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However it is obvious that either you did not read the link, or you have comprehension issues, sir

"Be ye faithful unto death and I will give you a crown of life"

noblequest
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Not gender...

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Words and objects have a gender where as people have a sex.

Just picking nits. Pay no attention to me and go back to your regularly scheduled programing.

Morality is your agreement with yourself to abide by your own rules - RAH

Pluto8
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A true Christian

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Will, without hesitation warn willful evildoers of their position. I then walk away.. if they repent, great.. if not it's their bonfire

"Be ye faithful unto death and I will give you a crown of life"

coolio2
So I need some help here...this is kind of embarrassing, lol

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So I joined this site to get an inside perspective on this type of culture. To be honest I've alway had an urge to step into the culture and see what it was all about. I've always been taught it was wrong, and I don't want to step into the whole religious thing. However I am Christian but I've always though about having an additional partner. But I have no idea what it's like and I honest didn't expect to find myself on this site talking openly about it. I always had this urge, is there something wrong with me for being interested in this?

I'm interested in the culture. As a man its a tempting culture but I want to know why? Why people are drawn to this? Why do I feel drawn to this culture?

dsrtrmr
drawn or led

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Is the flesh drawing you or the Lord leading you? Just a thought.

Agape is guarding the commandments of God. 1Jn5:3
 

Lion
I felt that there was a sort

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I felt that there was a sort of occultic or mystical principle, in play, where monogomists tend toward men and women being diametrical opposites, like light and dark, positive and negative, sun and moon. 

 

The Bible says that she is a helpmeet and from the man, the flesh of his flesh.